tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post2561950290922407354..comments2024-03-28T03:18:25.059-04:00Comments on Universal Circumcision: Why Are Anti-Circumcision People so Fanatic?Provoking Debatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08879034238011376704noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-26334330574395129092015-08-08T12:21:02.535-04:002015-08-08T12:21:02.535-04:00Female "circumcision" and male circumcis...Female "circumcision" and male circumcision are nothing alike for the simple reason that the female and male genitalia are nothing alike. A girl is more readily able to clean herself simply by separating the vulva (labia major), giving her ready access to the labia minor, vagina and clitoris. It is otherwise with the prepuce. In many cases, the prepuce in males is not even retractable until a certain age. Inevitably, urine left in the eurethra, shed skin and oils will collect and form bacterial smegma. Bizarrely, anti-circs know this and argue that the kid is not supposed to retract his foreskin, because the body just magically takes care of this. Imagine making the argument that one needn't have to clean his dermis! But this is precisely what the intactivists do argue! Female and male genitalia are treated differently for the precise reason that they are different. The only way they are the same is by way of homologue. For one to remove the labia minor would be analogous to removing the scrotum, which cover the testes, in the male. Only removing the clitoral hood would be comparable to male circumcision, since such a sheath is the homologue of the prepuce. But even that procedure is medically unnecessary and unsound. Female circumcision is actually a misnomer. Moreover, the claim that male circumcision reduces sexual sensation is illogical and unproven. Rubbing the glans does not produce pleasure, but irritation and the sensation of urination. A foreskin during masturbation would only exacerbate this. Much of the sexual sensation in the male stems from the penile shaft and testes.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084454915013445998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-62543774987401059302015-08-08T11:28:27.253-04:002015-08-08T11:28:27.253-04:00What is really scary about the anti-circ movement ...What is really scary about the anti-circ movement is the lengths to which their adherents will go to malign male circumcision. They even defend female "circumcision" using the same arguments favoring male circumcision. Ostensibly, they only use such arguments as devil's advocates, to expose the supposed "fallacy" of such arguments. However, they would never think to reverse the order, and use pro-male-circ arguments to repudiate female "circumcision." They are careful not to say one word in favor of male circumcision, even rhetorically. So in an attempt to claim that denouncing female circumcision is a double standard, they are really embracing a double standard of their own. Thus, they're not really against circumcision as such, but only MALE circumcision.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084454915013445998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-49608843533091697762015-08-08T10:55:08.498-04:002015-08-08T10:55:08.498-04:00You're basically making the author's point...You're basically making the author's point.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084454915013445998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-86889871737596531362015-08-08T10:52:56.619-04:002015-08-08T10:52:56.619-04:00I'm proud to have been circumcised. If you in...I'm proud to have been circumcised. If you insist that my country must follow the pattern and mandates of your country, then the answer to your question, "Who's the fanatic here?" is simply thus: YOU are!Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084454915013445998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-14936507920612976812015-08-08T10:40:36.919-04:002015-08-08T10:40:36.919-04:00The anti-circ movement has based their entire camp...The anti-circ movement has based their entire campaign on ad hominem arguments, vilifying and denouncing everyone who moderates or opposes their bizarre claims. How does the latter attack campaign by intactivists get a free pass, yet pointing out such histrionics is suddenly seen as ad hominem? Is pointing out that someone is engaging in an ad hominem type argument an ad hominem type argument? If so, then let me introduce you to the mirror.Riohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084454915013445998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-84095772127734511402014-05-23T19:11:01.783-04:002014-05-23T19:11:01.783-04:00I agree. Anti Circumcision Crusaders Need To Becom...I agree. Anti Circumcision Crusaders Need To Become More Fanatic About Mental Health Care For Themselves. Who The Hell Sits Around Worrying About Other People's Foreskin All Day!? If They Don't Want To Be Circumcised, Then Don't Be Circumcised and Don't Circumcise Your Son's, But Shut Up About Everyone Else. These People Even Tell Grown Men That They Have No Right To Be Circumcised!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-85778067734000103532014-05-23T19:08:40.391-04:002014-05-23T19:08:40.391-04:00I agree. Anti Circumcision Crusaders Need To Becom...I agree. Anti Circumcision Crusaders Need To Become More Fanatic About Mental Health Care For Themselves. How The Hell Sits Around Worrying About Other People's Foreskin All Day!? If They Don't Want To Be Circumcised, Then Don't Be Circumcised and Don't Circumcise Your Son's, But Shut Up About Everyone Else. These People Even Tell Grown Men That They Have No Right To Be Circumcised! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-41411083249834131762014-04-02T17:46:19.791-04:002014-04-02T17:46:19.791-04:00I think the question should be "why are pro-c...I think the question should be "why are pro-circumsion people so fanatical? <br />foreskin is extremly sensitive much like a clitorius. before I had no opinion on circumsision, then I learned that some cultures cut off the clitorus on baby girls before they can understand. Since I am again female circumsion I see great hypocrosy in not being against male circumsion. after much thought and reasearch I've come down to the conclusion that circumsion was made to control people's sex lives and does very little if any to protect their health. in fact the build up of smegma is needed lubricant. <br /><br />I just don't see why cutting off the foreskin is so important to the point were some people want it to be manditory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-57171386534735907452014-03-13T18:01:37.796-04:002014-03-13T18:01:37.796-04:00!AnonymousAugust 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM
Wow, people do...!AnonymousAugust 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM<br />Wow, people do get really worked up. Fanatacism pretty much sums it up. Soon they will be protesting "circumcision" clinics, waiving signs saying things like "Save the Foreskin" and shouting "Foreskin Killer!" It really is creepy.... Are they going to start throwing blood, fake foreskins, or worse? Does it sound like another "anti" movement to you?!<br /><br />So you agree with rape then? So why is it illegal to rape a woman, but it's okay to rape and mutilate a baby boy?<br />Lawrence Newmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-64677943666140773302014-03-13T17:57:20.672-04:002014-03-13T17:57:20.672-04:00As someone who was circumcised without his informe...As someone who was circumcised without his informed consent at 14 and who experienced a foreskin/frenulum/ridged band, I can state with 100% certainty that it destroys sexual pleasure.<br /><br />Male genital mutilation is worse than ll forms of FGM bar type 3. There isn't one medical reason to do it; it's not a medical procedure, but an anachronistic, unnecessary religious rite. <br /><br />People who circumcise are rapists and mutilators, and people who support circumcision are rape and mutilation advocates. <br /><br />It's amazing the mental gymnastics people culturally conditioned will go through in order to rationalise and obviously barbaric procedure. Lawrence Newmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-59889897004789612192014-01-27T01:04:10.396-05:002014-01-27T01:04:10.396-05:00Umm my earlobe is the most sensitive part of my ea...Umm my earlobe is the most sensitive part of my ear. But it is perfectly fine to pierce it. Plus it is a vestigial organ! And I would like to know why any parent would even consider not circumcising if there is even a slight chance of fewer UTIs STDs or Penile cancer! What grinds me the most is these darn moral crusaders attack me for the decisions my parents more than 40 years ago! I agree there must be some kind of psychological disorder that is at the root of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-13090458910801567512013-09-27T10:04:04.681-04:002013-09-27T10:04:04.681-04:00it's not about foreskin. if someone had amputa...it's not about foreskin. if someone had amputated my arm, without anesthesia, when i was 7 days old, for no good reason; i'd be bitching about that too. the rage comes into play when other people dismiss my pain, and continue to do this to other babies. we wouldn't be having this discussion if anyone had cared about my screams the first time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-81868274682114243702013-05-01T07:14:28.945-04:002013-05-01T07:14:28.945-04:00It's traumatic. Extreme trauma is triggered in...It's traumatic. Extreme trauma is triggered in people who feel completely helpless. I don't see it as rape as the poster above me mentioned; I see it as child abuse. But I will compare it to rape victims as they both feel completely helpless to defend or prevent against the situation. I'm sure you can understand how a rape victim would feel trauma. That trauma develops out of the sense of helplessness.<br /><br />Psychology can't offer much on foreskin trauma because there isn't that much research on it. We only just recently discovered infants feel pain and now take precautions to reduce some of that pain during the procedure so as not to inflict as much trauma. Something psychology can shed light on is child abuse--such as getting beaten-- can lead to personality disorders later in life. <br /><br />To be circumcised, a child is strapped down to a table; his arms and legs are bound in a submissive position, and then has a body part amputated with minimal (or no) pain relief. Infants often pass out from the pain because their nervous system is so overwhelmed or they go into a complete state of shock which allows them to disassociate from the situation (think multi-personality disorder). Multi-personality disorder develops in response to abuse as a child. It's when a child becomes so disassociated, they switch back and forth between personalities and can't recall any event that happens between personalities. I don't think you can develop this kind of disorder from a single traumatic event, but to me it does sound like these infants being circumcised might be at risk for. What we can diagnose though is post traumatic disorder (PTSD) in infants who were recently circumcised. They are withdrawn, hyper-sensitive to similar stimulus, and experiencing this months after circumcision. The memory of this may not be stored cognitively, but I would argue some people are still experience PTSD symptoms even into adulthood. Some people cope with trauma better than others based on their personality type; this is clear even in infancy. <br /><br />I've reviewed the evidence supporting circumcision to be beneficial and find all those studies to be complete bogus. Circumcision is difficult to study because there are so many different variables that need to be considered. I found many of their evidence lacking because they fail to address variables such as body condition immune system, and behavioral differences between cases. A lot of the studies use adult males who sought out circumcision for the benefits. Anyone seeking out circumcision for its benefits is less likely to engage in risky sexual behavior. The studies do report they are all sexually active, but that has nothing to do with how risky they are being. If you were to show me all the data they collected in their studies, I would conclude a difference in behavioral psychology, not a difference in physiology. To make that assumption is completely bogus.<br /><br />So when you ask me about circumcision, I will tell you its a disturbing abusive ritual (I say ritual because its actually performed in many cases as a re-enactment experience). I don't care if its intended to be beneficial, the fact is it's deeply traumatizing. Many people grieve in adulthood over this, and rightfully so. Their "extremist view" is perhaps their attempt to regain some of that helplessness that was lost in infancy. But it is a disturbing act nonetheless. And just like I find animal cruelty disturbing and wish it to be banned, I will support any ban on the disturbing cruelty of circumcision. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-65997001421177214532013-02-19T10:02:47.419-05:002013-02-19T10:02:47.419-05:00Circumcision is rape
Drs who Circumcise are rapis...Circumcision is rape<br /><br />Drs who Circumcise are rapists,<br /><br />PArents who Sign circumcision consent forms, are (In most cases unwitting) accomplices to rape.<br /><br />if this seems fanatical to you, its solely because your culture has taught you not to cast things in these terms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-87070460715653955342012-08-06T21:32:16.850-04:002012-08-06T21:32:16.850-04:00Wow, people do get really worked up. Fanatacism pr...Wow, people do get really worked up. Fanatacism pretty much sums it up. Soon they will be protesting "circumcision" clinics, waiving signs saying things like "Save the Foreskin" and shouting "Foreskin Killer!" It really is creepy.... Are they going to start throwing blood, fake foreskins, or worse? Does it sound like another "anti" movement to you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-8310273080684366442012-06-03T20:13:32.722-04:002012-06-03T20:13:32.722-04:00Whose penis is it ? Whose body is it ? Whose righ...Whose penis is it ? Whose body is it ? Whose rights ? <br /><br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !!<br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !!<br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !! <br />INTACT GENITALS are a BASIC human right for EVERYBODY : girls AND boys !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-60338759764266578332012-06-03T20:09:38.518-04:002012-06-03T20:09:38.518-04:00The Foreskin which comprises up to 50% (sometimes ...The Foreskin which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches( the size of a 3x5 inch index card).<br /><br /> Some of the penis length and circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than it would have been if left intact. <br />An Australian survey in 1995 showed circumcised men to have erect penises an average of 8mm shorter than intact men.<br /><br />Circumcision means less Penis<br />- Doesn't that matter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-24169465996167639412012-01-11T13:13:18.184-05:002012-01-11T13:13:18.184-05:00I don't agree with circumcision but there are ...I don't agree with circumcision but there are those that do strongly support it. While the harm and benefit appear to not significant, one thing is indisputable - it hurts! <br /><br />Up until very recently circa were done without anaesthetic of any sort because of concerns about the effect of the anaesthetic on the child's breathing. A study done at the University of Alberta http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/lander/#a and published in the American medical journal was stopped on ethical grounds after those involved noticed a significant difference in the heart rates and cries of the four trial groups. One infant stopped breathing for almost a minute and then projectile vomited. The conclusion of the study was simple - it hurts, use anaesthetics, specifically a ring block.<br /><br />So, regardless of if you are for or against circumcision I don't think there are many people who want to intentionally cause their son to suffer. Make sure the Dr uses a ring block for pain control.<br /><br />It might also be a good idea to wait a bit so the child is a bit stronger before doing the procedure on him. There is no harm in waiting a week, a month or even a year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-67468709635273478772011-07-11T21:52:16.443-04:002011-07-11T21:52:16.443-04:00And that your poor children could make therefore w...And that your poor children could make therefore well to the world to live crippled of the sort put to part to be born at bastards of criminal parents?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-91230652228521493312011-03-20T18:21:19.944-04:002011-03-20T18:21:19.944-04:00The foreskin is a normal body part. It is really n...The foreskin is a normal body part. It is really no different from the clitoral hood of a woman, or even the big toenail of a man. We do not make little kids have their big toenails cut off to prevent ingrown toenail, nor do we make little kids have their tonsils out to prevent tonsillitis.<br /><br />The parents have no right to amputate a normal, healthy body part. This is ultimately a civil rights issue, plain and simple. As men, we do not demand any special rights or privileges. We merely demand the SAME rights and privileges afforded to women.<br /><br />The hygiene issue is no excuse. We teach our little girls how to clean their private parts. If a little girl can be trusted to clean her private parts, then I'm sure that a little boy can be trusted to clean his. As a male, I find it to be VERY insulting to my intelligence (and also very degrading) to think that I somehow can't be trusted to keep my private parts clean, even though a little girl can clean her private parts without any trouble.<br /><br />Furthermore, the fact that women have a foreskin also goes to prove how inconsistent and hypocritical people really are with regard to this. So many of these people claim that a parent has every right to cut off a boy's foreskin. Yet I can guarantee that these are the same people who would scream bloody murder if a doctor were to do so much as make a pinprick in a little girl's foreskin.<br /><br />That was a part of MY penis that they removed without MY consent (how would a woman feel if they cut off her clitoral hood)? I have to be reminded of this every time I go to the bathroom. If that alone is not a good enough reason to criminalize the practice then I do not know WHAT ISJohn Flushingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-76442931962197473942011-02-13T06:19:55.818-05:002011-02-13T06:19:55.818-05:00What could your poor child therefore make to deser...What could your poor child therefore make to deserve that? He is not a human being him? Doesn't he have right to have another opinion that your own opinion of churlish?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-19991127097202850012011-02-11T20:42:11.234-05:002011-02-11T20:42:11.234-05:00Circumcision is juste an horrible mutilation and e...Circumcision is juste an horrible mutilation and excision too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-57536388768633272242010-11-12T16:19:04.377-05:002010-11-12T16:19:04.377-05:00"Nor do you have to be circumcised if you are..."Nor do you have to be circumcised if you are a Jewish - it is simply a 'gesture' of dedication, but not necessary." -- That is not true. It is one of the 613 mitzvahs given in the Torah. Jake, I admire your courage and scholarly debate skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-11386590383736756612010-10-22T05:40:29.570-04:002010-10-22T05:40:29.570-04:00Circumcision can be seen as a form of mutilation a...Circumcision can be seen as a form of mutilation and a form of abuse when done to a child or baby against it's will and the systematic routine practise of this disgusts me. In hospitals all over America right now, babies are strapped into a plastic mould called a 'circumstraint' with two arm restraints and two leg restraints and a clamp fitted onto the end of each baby boy's penis which is fixed so tightly it crushes the tissue, damaging the penis, just so there is less blood when they make the incision and cut off the foreskin. It's a pretty horrific and barbaric practice. <br /><br />It is not a normal act to lob off a piece of skin and flesh from a baby. When you think about it, anyone caught doing this in any other circumstance would be inprisioned. Under the guise of religion and tradition however, it slips under the radar. What would happen if, let's take Scientologist's as an example (as they are considered a relatively new religion) announced to the world that all their babies were to have their ear lobes removed at birth as standard practise? There would be outrage from most if not all communities of the world. And why? - because it's a very weird, unnecessary thing to do and morally wrong to permanently change a baby physically, cause it pain and scar it, emotionally and physically. However, because people have been practising circumcision for many years, it's deemed as being perfectly ok to do - even though it's no different to removing an earlobe, nipple or eyelid. There is absolutely no good reason to cut off a boy's foreskin, unless in adult life it is causing complications and the reason is medical. Even circumcision for women is deemed 'wrong' by the western society, but for men it's supposed to be okay? <br /><br />How does this affect you if you are religious? Well, it states nowhere in the Koran anything at all about circumcision. Nor do you have to be circumcised if you are a Jewish - it is simply a 'gesture' of dedication, but not necessary. The main culprit of circumcision is actually Americans. <br /><br />The reason why American's first started the procedure in 1870's was because they thought it 'cured' 'diseases' such as 'masturbation' and 'madness'. It was done to children as soon as they were born as a sort of 'vaccination' against these 'diseases'. In the 1890's there was also an attempt to make it law for all "Negro boys to be circumcised so as to reduce their sex drive and protect white women from rape." Dr John Harvey Kellogg's, of Corn Flake fame, was a huge supporter of this, and actually wrote in a book in 1877 that he thought the procedure should be done to babies with no anaesthetic so that the baby would have an emotional pain memory to learn not to masturbate;<br /><br />"The operation should be performed without administering an anaesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment."<br /><br /> (CONTINUED....)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068861684675080251.post-38879634275204958612010-08-21T01:25:17.936-04:002010-08-21T01:25:17.936-04:00This horrible mutilation named: circumcision, is c...This horrible mutilation named: circumcision, is criminal when it is made on a minor child. And all those that would say otherwise, are merely of abject loose!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com